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Craps Basics: Pass/Don't Pass Bets

7 – Don't Use Betting Systems at the Craps Table. Any game with bets that offer even money payouts is ripe for betting system players. Craps is no exception. In fact, you'll have no trouble finding a Martingale or Paroli system player at the craps table. These two systems work in precisely the opposite way, but both systems also don't. However, craps players usually leave such bets up until they are resolved. The question gambling writers must face is whether to count meaningless rolls as a push in calculating the house edge, or wait until the wager is resolved. After much thought, I have decided to express the house edge in craps three ways: Per bet made (counting pushes).

The long, curving section along the edge of the table closest to where the players stand is called the Pass Line.

'Pass Line' Bets

The most basic craps bet is the Pass Line Pxi express hybrid peripheral slots. bet. When you place a Pass Line bet, you're betting with the dice. In other words, you're betting that the either a 7 or an 11 will be the first number rolled (called the 'come out' roll). If this happens, you double your money right away. If a 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, or 10 is rolled, this establishes a 'point.' When a point is set, you want that number to be rolled again, before a 7 is rolled (when the shooter 'sevens out'). If the shooter rolls the point before he rolls a 7, you double your money.

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If the number rolled on the come out roll is a 2, 3, or 12 (called Craps), you lose. If, after a point is established, a 7 is rolled before the point number is rolled again, you also lose.

'Don't Pass' Bets

Placing a Pass Line bet is betting with the dice, and placing a Don't Pass bet is betting against the dice. Pass Line bets are also said to be 'betting right,' while Don't Pass bets are said to be 'betting wrong.' (Not that either is any better or worse a bet than the other -- this is just craps jargon.) Don't Pass bets are just the opposite of Pass Line bets. Rather than hoping for a 7 or an 11 on the come out roll, you're hoping for a 2, 3, or 12 (the losing roll of Pass Line bets). A 2, 3, or 12 will double your money on a come out roll if you've placed a Don't Pass bet. When a point is established, rather than hoping that the point number will be rolled again before the 7 shows up, you're hoping that the point won't be rolled again before the 7 shows up -- if the 7 comes first, you win.

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I know there are better bets regarding HA, but, when I bet right I usually have the Pass Line w/odds and Place Six and 8 (or Six and Nine, if point is 8; or 5 and 8 if point is Six.) Of course, after I make my point, the House 'helps' me by turning 'Off' my Place Bets. Since the dice have no clue as to when a Seven is supposed to be rolled, is it not reasonable to have the Place Bets working? I think I may give that a try when I visit Las Vegas in August. Wondered what others thought, do, or don't do. I suppose same could be asked about the Come Bet odds and the Hard Ways.

I like 'em off. Place bets you should certainly keep off, since it is a negative expectation every time they are up there. Odds are technically supposed to be left on by the player every roll; it lessens the house edge each time. I like the break from the action on the come out roll. My friend will keep them on when he's on a hot roll.If you have a pass line bet, you've be happy if the shooter rolled a 7. Therefore, since you have the option to turn them off, the casinos turn them off by default, That's why the black side of the puck says 'off'.
So even if you have a bunch of place bets, you can feel free to root for a come out 7. Heck, even if the dice have no memory, players love the emotional aspect of getting the sevens out of the shooter's system.
So, yeah! Turn 'em off!
What bothers me is, why do hardway bets stay on, on a come out roll, and why only in Vegas? Everywhere else I've played, hardways are off on a come out roll..

Odds are technically supposed to be left on every roll

Maybe I misunderstood. I think you are talking about odds for a come/don't come bet made while rolling on a different point. If so, I think whether they are working or not is irrelevant as far as EV amount and better to have them working as far as EV as a percentage of your total wagering. When you say 'supposed to be left on', I think that is incorrect as far as what the casino is supposed to do by default.

I like 'em off. Place bets you should certainly keep off, since it is a negative expectation every time they are up there. Odds are technically supposed to be left on by the player every roll; it lessens the house edge each time. I like the break from the action on the come out roll. My friend will keep them on when he's on a hot roll.If you have a pass line bet, you've be happy if the shooter rolled a 7. Therefore, since you have the option to turn them off, the casinos turn them off by default, That's why the black side of the puck says 'off'.
So even if you have a bunch of place bets, you can feel free to root for a come out 7. Heck, even if the dice have no memory, players love the emotional aspect of getting the sevens out of the shooter's system.
So, yeah! Turn 'em off!
What bothers me is, why do hardway bets stay on, on a come out roll, and why only in Vegas? Everywhere else I've played, hardways are off on a come out roll..

Odds are technically supposed to be left on every roll

Maybe I misunderstood. I think you are talking about odds for a come/don't come bet made while rolling on a different point. If so, I think whether they are working or not is irrelevant as far as EV amount and better to have them working as far as EV as a percentage of your total wagering. When you say 'supposed to be left on', I think that is incorrect as far as what the casino is supposed to do by default.
Edit: I could be mistaken here -- odds for don't come bets probably work by default on a new come out roll. I wasn't thinking clearly on that, since I never bet the don't. I'm confident the odds on existing come bets are off by default but may be called on.

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What bothers me is, why do hardway bets stay on, on a come out roll, and why only in Vegas? Everywhere else I've played, hardways are off on a come out roll..

I have found this to be inconsistent from casino to casino, most everywhere I have played -- is it really consistent within Las Vegas? If so, I hadn't realized that. Most stick men will make a comment like 'hardways on unless called off' or the other way around, until they learn what way you prefer to play them. But different stick men within a casino use the same default.Well, now I have learned something. Just never put two and two together. Duh, after years of playing the game, I really never knew the puck in the 'Off' position meant that Place Bets, Odds, etc. were 'Off'. Oh what a bonehead I am on that front. Old dog, new trick. Just thought it was a new game about to start.

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Sure, I am happy, with a Pass Line bet, to see a 7. I just don't get the 'getting the sevens out of the shooter's system' though. I know, it would not be enjoyable to see a Place Six and Place 8 go down, but if it's a good bet (and I use the term 'good' loosely) to make initially, why not let it continue to work, even on the Come Out? I have tried to see (using search) on WOO and WOV to see what the math-man says, but couldn't find anything. I expect he would say to let them work. Hope he weighs in.Come odds have to be off on the comeout roll, you are trying to roll a seven! But then again why use the come bet at all?
Harways should be off for the same reason.

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Come odds have to be off on the comeout roll, you are trying to roll a seven! But then again why use the come bet at all?

Very good point..Why make a Come Bet? And, if you do, why put up Odds, if you're going to have them 'Off' on the Come Out (I know why the Odds are put up, of course)? Suppose, though, that you are not the shooter, and you missed the initial Come Out. You make a Come Bet and put up Odds and the shooter makes his initial point. Isn't the Come Bet, in essence, your Come Out point? You make no further bets, so, wouldn't you want the Odds working? Of course one would. I know it seems a bit far-fetched, but I just don't know why the bets aren't 'good' all of the time. Don't get me wrong. I am not trying to be argumentative, just looking at what others have done in the past, and maybe hear some sound results. I started off my Craps playing as solely a wrong bettor. Now, I like the PL w/odds and Place Six/Place 8. Haven't bet wrong for a while, but have no aversion to it. When I initially started off betting right, I went with the old Ponzer: PL w/odds and 2 Come Bets w/odds. Now, I play as previously stated, but with the Place bets 'Off', courtesy of the casino.Craps is amazingly flexible. Depending only upon the player's preference, Place bets and Odds bets can work or not work on any roll, including a Pass come-out roll. The On/Off puck dictates the status of discretionary bets unless the player says otherwise. If the player so directs, his dealer will put a small laminated label on that player's bet to override the puck. The small 'lammer,' white for On and black for Off, and opposite in color to the puck, can be placed and removed at any time at the player's discretion. Ask your dealer to show you his supply of lammers.
Directing that your Place bets and Come Odds bets are to work during a particular Pass come out roll is no better and no worse than passively permitting them to work on any ordinary roll. Turning them off for any ordinary roll is no better and no worse than passively permitting them to be off on the Pass come out roll.
Players on the Right side of Pass welcome natural sevens. Recognizing this fact a century ago when Come bets were invented, game management added black and white sides to the previously neutral Point indicator. Odds bets on Come numbers were then temporarily protected against loss, which would produce mixed feelings for the Right players. Similar reasoning extended the protection to Place bets. Your question is whether you personally desire such protection, which is based upon emotion rather than mathematics.
On Pass come out rolls, you can do as you please. Let your own intuition be your guide. If during a hot shoot you sense that Big Red is still far away then let your bets work. Every so often, tell your dealer that your Place bets and Odds bets are working coming out. Doing so really is not anti-social, but you may get some strange looks from other players. If their opinions matter then you may simply run with the pack and follow the puck.

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The assumption if you 'come' late to the game, is that you will then follow a made point by placing a pass line bet to get back in synch with the shooter. Since you will now be playing the pass line too, you are in a quandry regarding the seven, since that outcome will cause your new pass line bet to win, but your prior come bet to lose. Leave the come bet's odds 'off' for the new come out roll so that if a seven (the most probable number) appears, you will just wash, instead of losing your odds bet.
The beauty of this game is that if you prefer to, 'let it work', you simply inform the dealer. Make sure they put the 'on' lammer on top of your odds bet.